I have reserved to myself 144,000 who will not bow to the image
They have tore down thine altars O father, they have built an image of BAAL
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My hope is built on nothing less, Yes. There's a difference between Laodicea and God's church. And they make it hard to help them because they say "We are in need of nothing" | |
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-- 1Jn 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
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Ecellent poem brother, may I use it elsewhere? | |
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Yeah brother, go ahead. I found it somewhere else. Don't give me credit.:) I didn't see a credit to it. I just pasted it up for conversation. I agree with it. | |
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-- 1Jn 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
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Comments on the Elijah message. The Elijah message is still a two way option for this world. If the world will not repent God will dstroy the world and before he will take His people home. If the world will repent and ask God to save the world God will save the world and the Son of God will reign on this earth after He has destroyed Satan and all who has followed Him. Think this trough and give your comments. Jack. | |
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Hi Jack, Elijahs typifies the 144,000 who restore worship to the true God just as Elijah did in his day. "fear God and give glory to him"[Rev 14:7]. "The LORD he is the God, The LORD he is the God"[1 Kings 18:39] John the baptist had a similar message after all Israel apostacized saying God can raise Abrahams seed out of stones. This is typical of the second angels message where "Babylon is fallen". General Conference Adventists are like a Jezebel gone to the kings of the earth to trademark the name. In going to the Kings of the earth Revelation 18 tells us this church became a church of unclean and hateful birds and we are to cry with a loud voice "come out of her my people". Thirdly we are pronouncing the mark of the beast. Most Adventists see nothing but "Sunday" and they don't realize that the seal of God involves the "seal of the righteousness that comes by faith"[Rom 4:11]. "The faith of Jesus"[Rev 14:12]. The Sabbath is far deeper then just a day. Jones and Waggoner preached this message 120 years ago. The church has fallen away from this position. But shortly after the work of the gospel being spread to all nations, tongues etc. And by the way you are right they have the option to "accept" or "reject" the message. But it is very clear this is the last message. And the light is in the word. They have to turn back. But let me make clear that when this work is done "it is finished". In Revelation 14:14 we see Christ has a crown on his head. This means he has taken off the priestly garments and put on the kingly garments. There is no more mediator in the sanctuary. This can be seen in Daniel where "Michael stands up". Michael standing up represents being crowned as King[See Dan 11:1-3]. Also seen in Daniel 7:9-13 as well as Daniel 2. When Michael stands up, there is no more mediator. He has taken off the priestly garments and is no longer intercessing. There is no more repentance. Whoever is lost is lost forever at this point. We are the last message. If this message is rejected there is no more chances.
http://www.elijah144.com/thehourofgodsjudgmen.htm There is so much confusion right now in Adventism. The Sanctuary is cast down by Adventists today. They have no idea about the Sanctuary message. The intercession, Michael, the hour of judgment, what Babylon is, what Babylon fallen is, etc, etc, etc. | |
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-- 1Jn 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
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David: repentance must start with God's people those who know or should have known the truth. So the Elijah message uis not for those who do not know the truth and are deceived but for those who has received the truth so our mesage is not for the world but for those who know the truth. If they are not faithfull they will be spewed out by God and those who will overcom they will reign with Christ for a thousand years. there will be no fence to sit on they are victorius over Satan our will be lost. If God's people would have been faithfull the world would have been converted Jack. | |
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Hi Jack, I'm not to sure what you mean by it not being for all people. Reve 14:7 says it is for "all peoples, nation, multitudes and tongues". Davidians for some reason have come to teach that it's only to go to Adventists. This is contrary to Revelation 14. I'm not sure if that's what your saying. You are right in a way since we are to go to the Jews first, then to the Gentiles like when Jerusalem fell when they crucified Christ. General Conference Adventists are Laodicean and on the same boat as the Sunday keeper today. They have a little more truth then the Sunday keeper, however they don't have the whole truth but merely truth mixed with error. I call it the "wine of Babylon". And sadly they have more pride then the Sunday keeper because they really believe "they are increased with goods and in need of nothing". I agree with you that they will live and reign with Christ a 1000 years. But the wicked will not rise again till the end of the 1000 years. So clearly we are not reigning over those who haven't learned the gospel. | |
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-- 1Jn 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
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I'm not to sure what you mean by it not being for all people. Reve 14:7 says it is for "all peoples, nation, multitudes and tongues". Davidians for some reason have come to teach that it's only to go to Adventists. This is contrary to Revelation 14. I'm not sure if that's what your saying. Hi David. When Jesus will come to take his saints home there will be according to Him only a few left who have been faithful to Him. Will at that time all the people be reached with the true gospel of JesusChrist? No. The work will be finished by Jesus Christ and His true followers. Then Jesus will return as King of Kings And Lord of Lords as the Almighty Son of God.. Jack. | |
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Jack, you said-Will at that time all the people be reached with the true gospel of JesusChrist? No.[End quote] Hi Jack, Jesus isn't coming till we finish the gospel work. Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
In Matthew 24 it says this gospel shall be preached then the end comes. Which is the time of trouble. Probation is closed. Then what? Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. You understand that Satan is going to personate Christ in the time of trouble right? This is his last deception. “The wrath of Satan increases as his time grows short, and his work of deceit and destruction will reach its culmination IN THE TIME OF TROUBLE…As the crowning act in the great drama of deception, Satan himself will personate Christ…” Great Controversy 623-624
That's what Matt 24 is talking about. After the gospel closes in verse 13 Christ warns you beware of those who are on the earth saying they are Christ. Satan will do his last master deception. How do we know that Christ isn't going to be on the earth teaching and preaching the gospel? Mat 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. By the way Jack, I have a powerpoint on last day events that I got from another website. It's very well put together, if you'd like a copy let me know. Blessings, much love, David.
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-- 1Jn 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
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When Jesus comes it's over right? I'm not sure what you mean when you say "the work will be finished by Jesus Christ and his true followers". Are you implying Jesus is coming down here to do the work? No this work will be down in heaven outside the reach of Satan You are right Jesus will not return to this earth untill all people on earth have received the true Gospel of salvation. Only those who will reject this will be lost.. They will have disobeyed the Spirit of God that would have made them overcome Satan and sin like Jesus was victorous over Satan and temptation So God's Spirit wass not able to lead them to eternal life. Jack. | |
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I agree with you then. Those who have disobeyed and have refused to repent will be found guilty when Christ steps out of the Most Holy Place and puts on his Kingly garments. When Michael stands up[as King of Kings] the time of trouble like never was will begin. Him who is guilty will remain guilty still and he comes with his reward. | |
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David. Jsus will be kings of kings again when He will hand over to His Father the victory over Satan and His mission to save the world has finished. Then pas will the Father re-instate him back as the Son of God and will he return to this earth and destroy Satan and all who has followed him. At the present time he is still Jesus Christ the Son of Man and our mediator between His Father and the human race. Jack. | |
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I'm not fully sure what you mean by Christ being the son of man in heaven. I do know Christ will be crowned "King of kings" shortly. This is true. The bible says he was the "prince of heaven" before he became a man. I'm not sure what you mean by Jesus being son of man now. By this I believe your implying that Christ still has not been given a new glorified body. Christ was in the flesh as a son of man, but I don't believe he still posesses the body we posess. 1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 1Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. 1Co 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 1Co 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. 1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 1Co 15:51 Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. But Christ has already recieved his new body, and is a son of God. He has always been the son of God. Remember also, before the flood that certain men were "sons of God" and then their were the "daughters of men". I don't think that "son of man" means much besides Christ taking on the likeness and nature of men. That was "mortal man". But he no longer has that nature. He is imoortal. Also in 1 Cor 15. Here is what is said. 1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 1Co 15:39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. 1Co 15:40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. 1Co 15:41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory. 1Co 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 1Co 15:43 It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. I know there is alot to read there. But our body is fleshly. So in that sense we are still the sons of men. However God will give us a spiritual body at the second coming. This is what I mean by Christ being a son of man. Only in the sense of his body. But he has a spiritual body now as the firstfruits. Therefore even in his body form he is the son of God now. That's how we will be when Christ comes. 1Jn 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. 1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. Alot to think about there Jack, this is not easy to understand either. I find it easiest to explain with a diagram. But hopefully you understand what I mean. Be blessed, much love, David. | |
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-- 1Jn 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
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I'm not fully sure what you mean by Christ being the son of man in heaven. I do know Christ will be crowned "King of kings" shortly. This is true. The bible says he was the "prince of heaven" before he became a man. Will be crowned still in the future. See Revelation 1:8. I'm not sure what you mean by Jesus being son of man now. By this I believe your implying that Christ still has not been given a new glorified body. All people who will go to heaven will have a spiritual body The good and the bad alike Matthew 22:8-10 Christ was in the flesh as a son of man, but I don't believe he still possesses the body we possess. No 1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. Correct. 1Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. 1Co 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. Don’t be surprised that sinners can go to heaven. Satan and His angels has terrorised in heaven before for more the 4000 years. 1Co 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.Correct 1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. So we will be changed to incorruptible The good and the bad alike. 1Co 15:51 Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. But Christ has already recieved his new body, and is a son of God. He has always been the son of God. Remember also, before the flood that certain men were "sons of God" and then their were the "daughters of men". I don't think that "son of man" means much besides Christ taking on the likeness and nature of men. That was "mortal man". But he no longer has that nature. He is imoortal. Also in 1 Cor 15. Here is what is said. He became immortal after his resurrection. Like all who will go to heaven. 1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Correct. | |
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But Christ has already recieved his new body, and is a son of God. He has always been the son of God. Remember also, before the flood that certain men were "sons of God" and then their were the "daughters of men". Jesus is still our mediator but his body has changed from physical to a spiritual body/. I don't think that "son of man" means much besides Christ taking on the likeness and nature of men. That is the point He became like one of us. Fully human. That was "mortal man". But he no longer has that nature. He has received a spiritual nature He is immortal. Also in 1 Cor 15. Here is what is said. 1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 1Co 15:39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. 1Co 15:40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. 1Co 15:41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory. 1Co 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 1Co 15:43 It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. I know there is alot to read there. But our body is fleshly. So in that sense we are still the sons of men. However God will give us a spiritual body at the second coming. This is what I mean by Christ being a son of man. All people the good and the bad alike will go to heaven with the 144.000 a spiritual body. Only in the sense of his body. But he has a spiritual body now as the firstfruits. Therefore even in his body form he is the son of God now. That's how we will be when Christ comes. We will be also the sons of God but no God’s. 1Jn 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. All who go to heaven will be saved only those who has rejected to follow the direction of God’s holy Spirit so to be victorious over Satan and sin will be lost. 1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. The power of God’s Spirit will have made us victorious over san and Satan if we follow Jesus and obey God’s Holy Spirit John 14:15-17. Alot to think about there Jack, this is not easy to understand either. I find it easiest to explain with a diagram. But hopefully you understand what I mean. Sorry that I have made the answer in two parts but I was a bid short of time. God bless you David. Jack. | |
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Jack you said: Jesus is still our mediator but his body has changed from physical to a spiritual body/.[End Quote] In a sense yes. His body is not a carnal body. Like Paul explained it. It is a body nonetheless. An immortal one. One we don't have. Jack you said: That is the point He became like one of us. Fully human.[END QUOTE] Yes. In the body. Made in the likeness of sinful flesh. Something that goes over many heads is that he was in this flesh "yet without sin". Also we are son's of God, however not God. Christ is the son of God, he is not the eternal God as there is one God the father. It is the fathers spirit which was also the spirit of Christ that leads us into all truth. I agree. If you think the spirit is a 3rd divine being I don't agree with that. But I'm beginning to think that you are almost in agreement with the Historic Adventist faith. I'll keep you in my prayers that we might come to "unity of the faith and knowledge of the son of God"[Eph 4:13]and finish this work of spreading the true gospel and pointing them to "fearing God and giving glory to him"[Rev 14:7] rather then the impersonal office of individuals called the Trinity. Or the BAAL of today. | |
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Also we are son's of God, however not God. Christ is the son of God, he is not the eternal God as there is one God the Father. What was the Son of God before His Father brought Him forth It is the fathers spirit which was also the spirit of Christ that leads us into all truth. I agree. Is this not by his own Spirit? Or the Spirit of the Son of God? If you think the spirit is a 3rd divine being I don't agree with that. But I'm beginning to think that you are almost in agreement with the Historic Adventist faith. I'll keep you in my prayers that we might come to "unity of the faith and knowledge of the son of God"[Eph 4:13]and finish this work of spreading the true gospel and pointing them to "fearing God and giving glory to him"[Rev 14:7] rather then the impersonal office of individuals called the Trinity. Or the BAAL of today. I still believe that Jehovah the Son of God has led the people of Israel to salvation and not Jesus Christ .People where saved by Him and not trough Him. Well people at the present time are only saved through Him. a great difference. He will come again as Jehovah the Son of God when he has gained victory over Satan.Revelation1:8. Jack. | |
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Jack you said: Is this not by his own Spirit? Or the Spirit of the Son of God?[End Quote] Hi Jack, That spirit is a kindred spirit. The bible says there is one spirit. That spirit is the holy spirit which is both the spirit of Christ and the spirit of God. Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. You asked what was the son of God before his father was brought forth. If you remember when Eve was made after the image of God, you'll see the example. She was flesh of flesh, bone of bone human by nature. The son is flesh of flesh bone of bone God by nature so to speak. Where was he before he was brought forth? I can only tell you what he told us that he "proceeded forth and came from God"[John 8:42, John 16:27-29, Pro 8:22-30] as the firstborn of every creature and it's said that God didn't create anything without him. [Col 1:15, 16, John 1:1-3] | |
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-- 1Jn 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
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The son is flesh of flesh bone of bone God by nature so to speak. Where was he before he was brought forth? I can only tell you what he told us that he "proceeded forth and came from God"[John 8:42, John 16:27-29,
Pro 8:22-30] as the firstborn of every creature and it's said that God didn't create anything without him. [Col 1:15, 16, John 1:1-3] The Text Prov 8-22-30 is talking about wisdom not Jesus Christ. The JW people has used this text that Jesus was created by God . Also that Jehovah the Father was the saviour in old Testament time this can't be true because all people will be saved by our creator the Son of God. But afther he has laid down His position in heave and toke on the position the Son of Man (Jesus Christ )he was only able to save us through His heavenly Father. Who was also Jehovah from everlasting.like he was before he has laid down his position in heaven. Revelation 3:8 tells us that Jesus was called Jehovah the Son of God and is at the present our mediator between his heavenly Father and us the human race. In this position he can olle lead us to the Father who is able to save us because He is equal with Jehovah the Son of God. The danger of your position is that Satan can use this that Mary is the mother of God well she was the Mother of the Son of Man. Satan could never have used this to use to call and show himself as Mary the mother of God to deceive the whole world. Jack. | |
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Jacobus, are you your father's equal? | |
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